He Said they are cured?

ok let's check out this l.a. times talk about.
i guess it is so very ridiculous, right?
if some christians want gay to change their life to the opposite path of their desire?
it's just the same way as we're asking a straight woman to be totally lesbian, or begging a straight man to be totally not desiring for woman [be completely gay]~!!!

i dont know what is it in their head?
they dont see people by the inside but just appearances [you know what i mean.]
like we see a doll!!!! they want other people to be like what they desire!
it's totally insane!
and so many insident in church, why dont they take care of this first?
how come you want to change tiger's desire of eating meat become vegetarian?

it's all just the fake, right?
they said they are fine and totally straight but i dont believe that they've lost even for small amount of desire or attraction to the man!
it's just forcing or compeling their own heart~!....

if a gay is a mistakes, you know, hmmm i think parents should use condom
since the very first time making love till forever.
just not making baby! hahaha
because the source of problem is who make a gay be born?
that's the point right?
even Lord himself, He didnt squeeze woman's breast or makin' love with woman.
but yes, The Almighty made love with her mother. [as it is said in bible]
why is it still be debated? why people debate about homo?

even in the country like Amerika Serikat [United States of America]
where education and science develop so very sophisticated and in the front line than in Asia, why are they still debating the useless topic of this!

'coz, this is nature phenomena!
you are against the universe and cosmic law!
because being gay is not making it up! we can not!
"~~~~it's been made up!~~~~"

then what is the use of therapy for? included the psychiatrist who try to alter one to be another one!
they are nothing more than just for MAKIN' MONEY
you pay to them a bunch of money, and then they can not make anything.
because it is not illness! how can you cure anything that not an ill!
on the contrary, they made a new illness in the future!
pain and emptiness. try to convert someone becoming other personality

If American, European and people all over the world fear of gay and also homophobia
THE ONLY EFFECTIVE THERAPHY is make your ovarium and sperm damage or disorder.
or prohibit man having sex with woman! then no more gay and lesbian be born in the future! that's what you people very desire, to get rid of gay and lesbian.
i think this is the best way to all of you who hate or antipathy to gay and lesbian.
you must prevent all of your friends, neighbours, and included your family not to havin' sex or at least kill ur sperm and ovum so that you will never see a gay, lesbian or anything you dont like it exsist in this world.

and now, so, i dont believe Religion led us to peace then!
because it is from the church and also inside of that which said to be holly book that there are several problems. and religion also taking part of the chaostic to entire human life in the world.

like Lord ever said:
Matius 10:34-36 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword." For I have come to `set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughterinlaw against her motherinlaw and `a man's enemies [will be] those of his [own] household."
....

and after we believe in Him, then what happened now?
i feel been backstab all this time!
they talk so sweet to church members but sometimes also givin somekind of provocation
to people in there in smooth way but the point is condamning other religions,
people's culture, etc! and especially homosexualy. ok i'm sorry, i just feel like
someone led me to the middle of the forest and leave me alone there with no compass.
and i am very dissapointed by the church with their half eye seeing entire world by the unjust.

ok nevermind, let's see these news talk about:

From the Los Angeles Times
New ground in debate on 'curing' gays
Christian ministries who see homosexuality as a treatable disorder are starting to think that choice may not be a factor.
By Stephanie Simon
Times Staff Writer

June 18, 2007

Alan Chambers directs Exodus International, widely described as the nation's largest ex-gay ministry. But when he addresses the group's Freedom Conference at Concordia University in Irvine this month, Chambers won't celebrate successful "ex-gays."

Truth is, he's not sure he's ever met one.

With years of therapy, Chambers says, he has mostly conquered his own attraction to men; he's a husband and a father, and he identifies as straight. But lately, he's come to resent the term "ex-gay": It's too neat, implying a clean break with the past, when he still struggles at times with homosexual temptation. "By no means would we ever say change can be sudden or complete," Chambers said.

His personal denunciation of the term "ex-gay" — his organization has yet to follow suit — is just one example of shifting ground in the polarizing debate on homosexuality.

Despite the fundamental gulf that divides them, gay-rights activists and those who see homosexuality as a sinful disorder are starting to reach agreement on some practical points.

Chambers and other Exodus leaders talk deliberately about a possible biological basis for homosexuality, in part to explain that no one can turn a switch and flip from gay to straight, no matter how hard they pray.

A leading conservative theologian outside the ex-gay movement recently echoed the view that homosexuality may not be a choice, but a matter of DNA. To the shock and anger of many of his constituents, the Rev. R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, wrote that "we should not be surprised" to find a genetic basis for sexual orientation.

That's heretical to many conservative Christians. But it's a view increasingly embraced by the public at large; a Gallup Poll last month found that 42% of adults believe sexual orientation is present at birth. (Three decades ago, when Gallup first asked the question, just 13% held that view.)

Mohler's willingness to discuss the issue was welcomed by Dr. Jack Drescher, a New York psychiatrist who advocates for gay rights and has been a vocal critic of the ex-gay movement. "I saw it as a sign of openness," Drescher said.

"Something's happening. And I think it's very positive," agreed Michael Bussee, who founded Exodus in 1976, only to fall in love with another man — a fellow ex-gay counselor.

Now a licensed family therapist in Riverside, Bussee regularly speaks out against ex-gay therapies and is scheduled to address the Ex-Gay Survivor's Conference at UC Irvine at the end of the month.

But Bussee put aside his protest agenda recently to endorse new guidelines to sexual identity therapy, co-written by two professors at conservative Christian colleges.

He and other gay activists — along with major mental-health associations — still reject therapy aimed at "liberating" or "curing" gays. But Bussee is willing to acknowledge potential in therapy that does not promise change but instead offers patients help in managing their desires and modifying their behavior to match their religious values — even if that means a life of celibacy.

"It's about helping clients accept that they have these same-sex attractions and then allowing them the space, free from bias, to choose how they want to act," said Lee Beckstead, a gay psychologist in Salt Lake City who uses this approach.

The guidelines for this type of therapy — written by Warren Throckmorton of Grove City College and Mark Yarhouse of Regent University — have been endorsed by representatives on both the left and right. The list includes the provost of a conservative evangelical college and the psychiatrist whose gay-rights advocacy in the 1970s got homosexuality removed from the official medical list of mental disorders.

"What appeals to me is that it moves away from the total polarization" common in the field, said Dr. Robert Spitzer, the psychiatrist.

"For many years, mental-health professionals have taken the view that since homosexuality is not a mental disorder, any attempt to change sexual orientation is unwise," said Spitzer, a Columbia University professor.

Some therapies are widely considered dangerous, and some rely on discredited psychological theories. "But for healthcare professionals to tell someone they don't have the right to make an effort to bring their actions into harmony with their values is hubris," Spitzer said.

Activists on both sides caution that the rapprochement only goes so far.

Critics of Exodus note the group still sponsors speakers who attribute homosexuality to bad parenting and assert that gays and lesbians live short, unhappy lives.

And though Chambers has disavowed the term "ex-gay," his group's ads give the distinct impression that it's possible to leave homosexuality completely behind.

The Irvine conference, for instance, is being promoted with radio spots that talk of "sudden, radical and complete" transformation. (Chambers apologized for those ads in a recent interview, saying they were meant to urge church leaders to radically change the way they treat gays and lesbians, not to imply that conference-goers would magically transform their orientation.)

The American Psychological Assn. set up a task force this spring to revise the group's policy on sexual orientation therapy. The current policy is a decade old and fairly vague; it states that homosexuality is not a disorder and that therapists can't make false claims about their treatments.

The new policy, due early next year, must help psychologists uphold two ethical principles as they work with patients unhappy about their sexuality: "Respect for the autonomy and dignity of the patient, and a duty to do no harm," said Clinton Anderson, the association's director for lesbian, gay and bisexual concerns. "It's a balancing act."

stephanie.simon@latimes.com